Friday, April 14, 2006

A footnote on Mohammed Cartoons

This week the Nashville Scene published an article about a blog called Mohammed Cartoons that was created by Nashvillian Bill Hobbs, which, for a brief period of time, was linked to the Bryson for Governor blog. I initially wrote here about Mohammed Cartoons - how I discovered the blog, how and why I found it offensive, and in my postings I raised questions about whether Belmont University - Hobbs employer -and GOP gubernatorial candidate Jim Bryson had opinions about the offensive blog.
This morning nashvillepost.com moved a story about Belmont and Hobbs parting ways. This afternoon I got a call from a reporter at the Tennessean asking questions about the whole affair.
I directed the Tennessean reporter to go to this blog and read for herself the exchange that occured a few days ago on the matter. I added the notion that we bloggers operate in something of a fish bowl, and as such we can be and should be held accountable for what we write and with whom we associate on our blogs. Within a few minutes of her call to me, the reporter and I parted ways.
But on my way home, having left the office a bit early to join my family on this Good Friday, something happened that made me call back the Tennessean reporter to offer a footnote to our earlier conversation.
As I pulled into my multi-racial, multi-cultural subdivision in West Nashville, I drove past a small group of children whom I know to be members of several Muslim neighborhood families playing in a yard up the street from my home. One of the children, a young girl, waved at me and smiled. In an instant it became clear to me why I had written as I did about the blog Mohammed Cartoons.
I called the Tennessean reporter to tell her that had I not pointed out the insensitivity of the blog, I would have had trouble facing my neighbors; the children and their parents who walk our sidewalks each day and call out in friendship at every opportunity. "Shame on me," I told the reporter, "if I hadn't taken a stand on this matter."
I don't know if Hobbs and Belmont parted ways because of Mohammed Cartoons. I don't know if Hobbs removed himself from Bryson's blog team because of Mohammed Cartoons. But I do know why I did what I did, and I feel better for having done it.

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Blogger EllKay said...

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8:30 AM  
Blogger Idava said...

I was going to leave this alone however, looks like ellkay got the memo from Scott McClellan "Blame the Media." Sad that is their best
argument.

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9:42 AM  
Blogger carol said...

While I am sure it was not your intent, you belittle and insult your "multi-cultural neighbors" by implying that you are somehow protecting their interests. How do you know that they haven't, like many immigrants, come to this country seeking the very liberties and freedoms you attack? Freedom of speech includes that which is distasteful and offensive. Attacking the speech only serves to add to the importance of the speech itself.

11:13 AM  
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2:25 PM  
Blogger RMN said...

You guys are unbelievable. Bill Hobbs has assassinated every single person he disagrees with for years (they are all Democrats, surprisingly). Yet when someone points out the existence of Bill's racist web site, you call that "reprehensible"?

Look, Kopp didn't get Hobbs fired, John Spragens didn't get Hobbs fired, and Belmont didn't fire Hobbs. Hobbs fired himself the minute he scribbled that hate cartoon and posted it on the web.

6:24 PM  
Blogger Idava said...

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7:06 PM  
Blogger Idava said...

RMN do you actually think republicans that cry about personal responsibility actual ever take any?? This from the party of the buck gets passed here. Don't blame me! Blame the person that caught me! Of course it is NOT Mike's fault. Bill made the cartoons. If he is proud of them he should not have removed them. Obviously it was below the conduct of a Belmont University employee in their eyes. Gee, ya think Bill would have known that.

7:13 PM  
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7:37 PM  
Blogger Idava said...

As if things just can not get more hypocritical here we go. Most people will do things in life that others find "wrong, distasteful, inappropriate or immoral." Some will even have people tell them what they think, even when it isn't nice at all. According to the conservatives Bill has ever right to make any kind of blog, webpage, comment or cartoon no matter how wonderful or distasteful. I agree. Fair enough? Now for the tricky part for the conservatives, I also think Mike has ever right to comment, disagree with, or even be repulsed by any thing Bill does. Mike even has the RIGHT to say so. So, what is it you were saying about free speech again?? I wonder how many that have spoken of Bill's freedom of speech are now writing their opinions on Mike for his use of free speech that they did not like. Like I said hypocritical.

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12:31 AM  
Blogger tennessee political pulse said...

Note to "Mo Toons" Hobbs:
Deleting moronic statements like yours from my blog and anywhere else is a form of free speech I intend to exercise freely and openly. You are quite literally "yesterday's news."

4:51 AM  
Blogger Sharon Cobb said...

Kopp deleted my post for a 3rd time. Here it is...again. NO legit blogger deletes comments just for a different view.
Mike, what are you so afraid of?

Take 3:

LOL! "For The Children." I hadn't laughed that hard in days.
That's so over the top...even for you, Mike.

To Rmn,
I am a lifelong Democrat who is pro choice, pro gay rights and for higher taxes on the rich, yet Bill Hobbs has never attacked me personally, or vice versa.

This is take 2. Hopefully Mike won't delete it this time.
When did being a democrat turn into us being tolerant of all views...as long as they agree with our views?

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4:52 AM  
Blogger tennessee political pulse said...

good morning sharon...your wish is my command.

6:58 AM  
Blogger EllKay said...

Wow. Mike the Dhimmi is all brave and stuff, getting someone canned from their job for their views, but then he can't tolerate being called on the carpet for being a terror-enabling, dhimmitudinous, disingenuous hypocrit. Good job!

The first rule of blogging, be ready to accept criticism for what you say and do.

If you can't handle that, hang it up.

7:45 AM  
Blogger Steve White said...

Mike Kopp deletes a whole bunch of posts (presumably those of Mr. Hobbs, though perhaps others as well) on the basis that 1) he's yesterday's news 2) he's a racist and 3) he's intolerant.

When I read the TPP, however (as well as Kos, Political Animal and Atrios) I real intolerance.

It's your blog, run it as you wish: but don't think people will glide past what you say and what you do. What happened to Mr. Hobbs may or may not be unfortunate, depending on your mindset. What you're doing to yourself and your own reputation, however, is on you.

8:02 AM  
Blogger Beelzebub said...

Someone is awfully thin skinned here.

8:06 AM  
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8:13 AM  
Blogger JB said...

Kopp - Was your hit on Bill Hobbs part of your paid consulting job for Govenor Bredesen's re-election? Did MMA Creative approve your tactics on behalf of Gov. Bredesen?

8:24 AM  
Blogger CJ said...

You're kidding me right?

You were compelled to action by the smile of a young Muslim girl?

Can lying get you fired from your job, too?

8:31 AM  
Blogger Lesley said...

Mike,
I haven't been a reader until Hobbsgate, but I've been very amused by what I've read. In typical right-wing fashion, Hobbs and his supporters call foul when their own tactics are used against them. But what it all boils down to is this:
1. Hobbs published an offensive cartoon. It was his right to do so.
2. The offensive image was linked by Hobbs mightily-promoted online (non-anonymous) presence to a gubernatorial candidate and his Christian employer.
3. The link was pointed out on this blog.
4. The link was pointed out in the local alt-weekly.
5. At some point, it was determined that the Christian employer did not want to be associated with Hobbs' growing online presence as he is a representative of them being a now-fomer member of their marketing and communications team. If they fired him, it was completely within their right to do so as they have recently begun the process to be more inclusive of other faiths in their institution.

Nobody did anything wrong here. Nothing was done that was underhanded or untruthful. So what's all the fuss about? Because Hobbs lost his job? Welcome to the real world, Hobbs. That's what it's like for some of us who have opinions that aren't shared by our employers. It's typically the burden of the left-winger, though. And it's why I blog anonymously.

8:36 AM  
Blogger JB said...

Nothing was done that was underhanded or untruthful. So what's all the fuss about?

Does Mike Kopp's employer, MMA Creative and Gov. Bredesen's re-election campaign approve his tactics? Are Kopp's efforts at this blog on behalf of those employers? The results sure seem to help them.

8:59 AM  
Blogger Roux said...

Hey, Mike you should move down here to Louisiana. I think your kind of politics would fit in better.

9:16 AM  
Blogger Sean Braisted said...

JB, how does Bill Hobbs getting fired from Belmont help Bredesen or Mike's clients?

The person or persons to blame for Bill Hobbs getting fired are the people at Belmont University and Bill Hobbs. So long as Hobbs was doing the job he was hired for competently, it wasn't the place of Belmont to fire him. As for Bill, he should have been MUCH more creative with his drawings. I mean a stick figure with a heading "Mohammed Blows"? Now that is just unoriginal and perhaps that is why he was fired. At least Matt and Trey Parker put time and effort into their satire of the Mohammed Cartoons controversy, I think Bill spent less than 20 mins coming up with that site.

Mike, as for the Muslims kids playing in the street, I don't see how that corrolates into anger at B-ho for his Mohammed Cartoons. For example I think Jason Lee and Giovani Rabisi are good actors and probably good people, but it doesn't mean I think Scientology should be impervious to jokes or derision. And I think it is dangerous to coddle a people (not all Muslims, just the wackos) who think people that draw pictures of Mohammed should be put to death.

Making fun of a religion doesn't mean you hate the people that follow the religion, simply that the religion (in its literal interpretations) have many problems. In the case of Islam, many people who hold literal interpretations of the Koran feel it their duty to fight all infadels everywhere. The pictures of Mohammed with a bomb show the absurdity of the fundies who follow it. Just like a picture of Jesus in an SUV with an Automatic rifle would show the absurdity of many on the Christian Right.

9:31 AM  
Blogger JB said...

Sean - I don't know that Bill was fired from Belmont. For all I know he resigned so the university wouldn't have to be put in the position of defending him.

I think that Kopp's original post was clearly a threat against Bill's employment and an attempt to link Bill to Bryson through the association of the unofficial Bryson blog. These tactics beg the question, are Kopp's actions here "unofficial" or does he blog on behalf of Phil Bredesen, for whom is a paid political consultant.

Discrediting Bill is certainly a plus for Bredesen, as Bill was one of the loudest opponents of the Governor in the blogosphere. Kopp's employer, the marketing firm MMA Creative has a contract with Bredesen's campaign. What's in Bredesen's interest is in their interest too.

That's why Kopp should come out and say whether or not his posts smearing Hobbs/Bryson are part of his paid work on behalf of Gov. Bredesen and MMA Creative or if he is just doing this on his own time.

9:45 AM  
Blogger Lesley said...

Frankly, jb, if any of MMA's clients have an issue with what Kopp posts, it's well within their rights to release them.

However, it's really not the same as having a person on the communications team of an organization publicly publishing a cartoon critical of another religion when said organization has publicly tried to embrace people of other faiths. What Hobbs did is in direct contrast with what his employer is trying to do and as a member of the communications team, what he is/was employed to do. He's not a contractor, so it's not the same thing.

9:56 AM  
Blogger Lesley said...

Sean, the only problem I have with your recent comment is laying blame with Belmont. Recently, the university has made a public effort to embrace people of religions outside of the Baptist faith and what Hobbs did damages their ability to do so (since he is a public figure for them and for himself). Therefore, he has not done his job competently. It's a wee bit like all those companies that fired Kate Moss as spokesmodel when the footage of her snorting cocaine came out. They didn't want to be associated with her.

9:58 AM  
Blogger Tom said...

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10:07 AM  
Blogger Bill Hobbs said...

Y'all are free to keep debating this, but I'm letting it go and moving on.

For my supporters and detractors, know this: I'm going to be fine. I already had plenty of consulting work, and more is coming in. This incident hasn't hurt me.

Belmont was a great place to work, I did some amazing work there that will make the resume look great, and the university was gracious at the end.

The bottom line is I stupidly put an offensive cartoon online and left it there where Kopp found it. It was Kopp, not me, who shared it with the world, allegedly on behalf of the smiling Muslim kids in his neighborhood. (*cough*).

And then his political ally at the Scene wrote a slanted and partially inaccurate story and the rest is history.

If I had been a PR advisor telling Belmont what to do in this situation, rather than the employee involved, I would have told them to part ways with the employee - even though I think Mike Kopp is a sleazeball for what he did.

10:16 AM  
Blogger Lesley said...

Bill, I almost thought that was going to be a classy comment, but then you had to go and lob that ball of mud at the end. But I should have expected no less from a Republican. Balls of mud cloud the real issues and that's pretty much how they get their candidates elected.

10:21 AM  
Blogger Steve White said...

Lesley,

Rest assured, there are more of us who think that what Mr. Kopp has done fits the definition of 'slease'.

I'm not affiliated with either campaign, and I'm not a member of either party. I generally vote non-partisan in primaries.

Mr. Hobb's cartoon is silly: certainly less offensive than putting a crucifix in a jug of urine. For the latter, I was told that I had to be 'mature', and that the artist was 'attempting to make me think' (the implication being, of course, that as a Christian, I don't think). In case you miss the point, I didn't behead anyone because of it.

But Mr. Hobb's cartoon is, at worst, childish. Mockery? Yes, but offensive? Only to the most sensitive. Since the liberal Left refuses to honor the sensitivities of Christians, Jews, Catholics, etc., it's a bit strange to see them doing so here.

No, the real issue is that Mr. Kopp saw an opportunity to smear someone he doesn't like, and he took it. As a native of Chicago, I see this sort of thing happen in the big city all the time. Mr. Hobbs has learned better. Mr. Kopp feels smug and happy. We'll see who's smiling in November.

10:59 AM  
Blogger jack615615 said...

Mike Kopp on his Christian values:

"as a Christian I believe this kind of expression goes against all the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament."

Mike Kopp responding to Bill Hobbs:

"any dipshit who follows tn politics in this state would know that...attribute whatever you want to whomever you choose...my dog gets blamed by me for shit I screw up at home..."

"My blog is personal opinion (I state that in my header) on whatever the hell I choose to opine about. If I want to rip someone a new asshole I will. If I want to kiss someone's ass instead, I will do so (ok, only certain asses that have to pass a high standard of ass-ness)."

Mike, bad words make baby Jesus cry. As a Christian, you should know "this kind of expression goes against all the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament."

11:22 AM  
Blogger Hey Nonny Nonny said...

This is without dount the funniest thing I have read in the last month. I was swept in on an Instalanch and have been following links until I reached this one, which is clearly the punch line!

One of the children, a young girl, waved at me and smiled.In an instant it became clear to me why I had written as I did about the blog Mohammed Cartoons.

But wait - the jape deepens. I page down through the comments and see:

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This post has been removed by the blog administrator.

Repeated - perhaps 30 times? My ribs are hurting badly now. Mercy please!

Mr. 'Tennessee Political Pulse', you have without doubt created a superb farce. Did Mr. Hobbs collaberate with you or was it a lone effort?

I offer the most sincere congratulations on an act of considerable genius and will be sure to benchmark this blog and return frequently for more....

12:49 PM  
Blogger Richie said...

Again there's a lot of posts here and people are getting nasty. I just wanted to again show my solidarity with Mike Kopp. He was right to point out that Hobbs' cartoons were insensitive and that Hobbs and the TN Republican party are intolerant. The Hobbs cartoons fits in with a pattern of intolerant and racist people finding a home in the TN Republican party. For instance, until recently a eugenics advocate was on the ballot in the 8th district. I applaud Mike Kopp for his refusal to allow Hobbs' intolerance to go unchallenged.

12:51 PM  
Blogger Hey Nonny Nonny said...

"Mike, bad words make baby Jesus cry."

Oh God - I have to go now! I'll be back once the pressure is gone!

12:51 PM  
Blogger Hey Nonny Nonny said...

A serious question. Is this the done thing in the US?

On the other thread Mr. Tennessee Political Pulse opined that someone ought to inform Belmont University of Mr. Hobbs' misdead - and apparently someone did. Over here we would regard this kind of thing as carrying tales - not really the done thing.

2:44 PM  
Blogger oldhack62 said...

I'm assuming that the deleted posts disagree with the original author's viewpoint, right? Is this what the Left calls 'free speech'?

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Blogger tennessee political pulse said...

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3:32 PM  
Blogger Hey Nonny Nonny said...

Of course, Mr. TPP. Come back later to do the deletions....

Ta.

4:34 PM  
Blogger slickvguy said...

Note to "Mo Toons" Hobbs: Deleting moronic statements like yours from my blog and anywhere else is a form of free speech I intend to exercise freely and openly. You are quite literally "yesterday's news."


Dressing up your censorship as an expression of free speech??? How bizarre (and sickening).

Reminds me of the insane defense used by that moonbat prof at NKU.

6:58 AM  
Blogger Orion said...

Thanks again for showing what hyporcites you lefites are...

Sure makes it easier to win elections when you all so clearly demonstrate your founding principles (e.g. 'One rule for me, anothter for thee!').

So, we surely appreciate it. But c'mon, fess up - are you guys really Karl Rove plants?

Orion

6:59 AM  
Blogger slickvguy said...

"deleting statements....is a form of free speech".

Stunning.

7:17 AM  
Blogger Daled Amos said...

Deleting moronic statements like yours from my blog and anywhere else is a form of free speech I intend to exercise freely and openly.

No, deleting comments is no more a form of free speech than vandalizing an anti-abortion display--it just leaves less mess.

7:53 AM  
Blogger Etain Peregrine said...

Its interesting that the left is tolerant of everything and anything... except a dissenting opinion. Those must be destroyed!

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Blogger Don said...

I think people are painting with far too broad a brush here. It's not 'the Left' - it's just a few individuals here and there.

I think the fabled 'tolerance' of the Left was always overrated anyway. I knew a guy who used to be part of Vietnam Veterans Against the War and many of the stories he tells don't illustrate much tolerance - or enlightenment. Passion, yes. Beyond the edges of reason.

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Blogger TJB said...

Dear Mike, All cartoons of religious deities are insensitive to the adherents of those religions, and as such, should be avoided whenever possible. Of course, the degree of vicious intent of the cartooner must also be considered. I, for one, find cutting off a human beings head on screen to be quite a low form of cartooning too(for those of us that can't draw), while some find this heroic and "God inspired". All seems to be in the eye of the beholder. But I do hope we are never driven to the point in this country where political and religious satire are banished from the public stage, and we become, like our enemies, intolerant of views not in line with our own.

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(中央社訊息服務20090825 16:19:17)大環境不景氣,工作難找,有不少人就想乾脆自己創業當老闆。為強化國內創業能量,五路財神開店總部於8月20日-9月20日舉辦「2009夢幻小餐車創業成果展」歡迎蒞臨參觀。針對國內一窩蜂創業加盟潮,餐車達人陳滌五總監提醒創業者,加盟不失為一條創業捷徑,但若選擇加盟,品牌知名度、產品獨特性及是否擁有差異化優勢就顯得格外重要。
近年來以成本低的小吃餐車最受創業者青睞。沒經驗的失業族 大部份都選擇餐車擺攤,最多人都想在創業市場闖出一片天。在台中成立的五路財神開店總部,小吃餐車用品牌方式來營運,總經理陳滌五用自己的經驗來現身說法。以國人創業首選的小吃餐車來說,如何在同質性高的市場中殺出重圍?雖然是路邊攤小餐車,營運上的重要撇步是關鍵;在企業經營戰略中,唯有領先核心競爭,保持差異化優勢才是生存之道。
陳總分享成功關鍵,「五路財神餐車與其他路邊攤最大的差異化,在於餐車外觀亮眼與眾不同的加分效果,及秉持結合好的小吃產品用品牌方式來經營的理念」。總部成立初期因觀察到傳統路邊攤想要爭得一席之地,大多考量商品創新的迷思,卻忽略創業者經營能否持久性的問題。所以五路財神餐車將傳統小吃商品,用創新工法為策略,顛覆傳統路邊攤的概念,長期下來在台灣建立起最多元品牌的餐車王國。
很多創業者最憂心沒經驗,業界首創從餐車打造、生財器具、原物料配方、技術教學、促銷廣告、開幕指導,「一條龍的創業輔導」模式,使得五路財神餐車品牌特色更為彰顯。陳總說,不景氣下小吃餐車經營是加倍艱辛,建議創業者不但要瞭解小吃經營的核心價值,凸顯產品獨特性及差異化之外還要定期和你商圈的客人互動,「好餐車、好商品、好客人」,三個好,如此才有可能成為「不敗的小吃攤」。
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